Curse

nytestalker · Jun 29, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Id like to add a couple class specific things...

Assasssins. PLEASE look at your AL rating. Reliaze what that number means. Play accordingly. Failure to do so makes my boon/prot cry.

Warriors. 90% of you are fine. The other 10% please lookup the term "over extending" and play accordingly. Failure to do so makes all monks cry.

Necro's. PLEASE take note of one thing. Your secondary makes the diffrence betwen SS/MM... If your N/Me be a SS, If your N/Mo be a MM.

Good write up btw

Stockholm · Jun 29, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by nytestalker

Id like to add a couple class specific things...
Necro's. PLEASE take note of one thing. Your secondary makes the diffrence betwen SS/MM... If your N/Me be a SS, If your N/Mo be a MM.

This is a nother thing you should not do. Do not try to force ppl to use cookie cutter builds if they have found a build that works. Some ppl don't even use there secondary, but it's there.

nytestalker · Jun 29, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

This is a nother thing you should not do. Do not try to force ppl to use cookie cutter builds if they have found a build that works. Some ppl don't even use there secondary, but it's there.

<-- Attempts not to use the Stupid N word. (the one that ryhmes with TUBE)

Ok, soooo

An SS Necro with a mes secondary wont have Arcane Echo.... Tell me if you would how thats anywhere near as effective as a N/Me with arcane echo... oh and thats 2 skills out of 8. Go, play, have fun building something with the other 6 slots.

And N/Mo's as MM's... I suppose you dont HAVE to have monk as a secondary though it helps a WHOLE lot. Ranger, Warrior (tactics), rit's, hell even mes's have self heals.

Further more. I wasnt compressing them into a cookie cutter build. I mentioned 2 cookie cutter builds. Both MM / SS are cookie cutters. Its just that alot of necro's run around claiming to be SS with a monk secondary, and it drives me nuts. (mostly since my necro has full gear for SS / MM or solo 55hp SS farming, and I switch out secondaries as needed. Me/Mo depending)

Now MM does have variants... Minion Bomber for example. But the basic MM build is already a cookie cutter. (The give away is the virtually guildwars world known abbreviations of MM)

Stockholm · Jun 29, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

I find that an SS with

SS+Reckless Haste+mark of Pain+Defile Enchantments ( in a combo is very effective) Shivers, Rend enchatments, Light of Dwayna, Awaken the Blood.

is very effectiv with att's in only 2 classes, this way I can max out 2 and still have a good HP. Call it noob if you want, but it works and I don't run out of energy with 16 in soul reaping

srry for of topic

Age · Jun 29, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

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Originally Posted by Dart

Nice basic write up

One other thing that is good for fyi....don't be mad as soon as you join a group if the leader says "type me your build" -- odds are this person not only knows what the hell they are doing but knows what EVERY build should be doing and is making sure that the mission/quest goes smoothly...take it as fortunate and the opportunity to learn the max build for what you are about to do...so DO bother to type up all your skills, I don't know about the rest of you team leaders out there but if i get a refusal; i iterate my good intentions and then boot the guy after he refuses to not show his noobness a few times...don't care you don't know, hate the player too stuck on his pride to say "my build could use improvement or be way off."

Also don't be afraid to say "this is my first time here and you can tell me whatever I should bring" and hopefully you've already took a quick look on wiki or somewhere so you are not entirely clueless. Mostly emphasize that you intend to listen well....I would be happier telling new people ahead of time what to expect in the Deep than deal with another jerk who won't admit they don't have a clue what to do and cause oni to blast off in all directions on casters >.< If the team kicks you faster than you can say "wtf" - odds are they are not confident in their abilities and you are better off elsewhere in a competent team.

I agree with everything in this thread if majority of the players who aren't on boards would do this however I don't agree on this.

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don't be mad as soon as you join a group if the leader says "type me your build"

I will not type my build if the leader has no confidence in me go find someone else especially if they never played it if they did I still don't care have faith.What bothers me is those who run around to much.

Zinger314 · Jun 29, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by nytestalker

Necro's. PLEASE take note of one thing. Your secondary makes the diffrence betwen SS/MM... If your N/Me be a SS, If your N/Mo be a MM.

Wrong. Not because of the "cookie-cutter" reason, but because Necros don't HAVE to use their secondary for those builds. (N/Me for Arcane Echo would be the exception. But I don't use Arcane Echo unless in end-game PvE...energy cost and recharge are too extensive)

Malice Black · Jun 29, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

I find that an SS with

SS+Reckless Haste+mark of Pain+Defile Enchantments ( in a combo is very effective) Shivers, Rend enchatments, Light of Dwayna, Awaken the Blood.

is very effectiv with att's in only 2 classes, this way I can max out 2 and still have a good HP. Call it noob if you want, but it works and I don't run out of energy with 16 in soul reaping

srry for of topic

similar build to mine, works well and no need for that over rated echo skill..

ive always insisted ppl use a build they are happy with..i dont do cookie cutter groups (boring)

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 29, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

to the OP thankyou for posting these, I hope this board gets 2 mil views, also the telling them your build is damn good idea especially in a pug in PUGS you can NOT have confidence in someones abilities becuase you do not know them... Also a good idea is,
Plan out mission strategy before entering the fight, if you know what to do and when and the entire group does, things should run smoothly, better than everyone running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

Patience is golding, don't start saying gogogogog as soon as you join a group, or ebver for that matter, pushing only pisses the leader off, pissed off leader=boot for the pisser(lol). Also when people are annoyed they don't perform at their max level.(except for me when I am pissed I start focusing more, as long as it is a "I'm really angry right now" type of pissed, not like "Ima sit here and flame you and show you how much you pissed me off" type of anger.

xiao1985 · Jun 29, 2006, 05:05 AM // 05:05

good topic...

EVERY gw player shoudl read this...

Jas · Jun 29, 2006, 06:17 AM // 06:17

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Originally Posted by Kylista

I agree with everything here except when the leader asks me for my build, I leave.....if we're down to all having the same build just to make it into a group, than that's a problem.....

Last thing I want is having to explain why I like Skill A over Skill B. Its my build, my character and as long as I play it as best as I can, that should be enough. I am okay with the leader saying can you bring Skill A,B,C and D because they know the mission or they know other people's build within the group however, asking for all 8 skills is utterly ridiculous and IMHO direspectful.

I agree with Kylista... big time. I might be proud and noobish, but I really get irritated if someone wants to know my build skill by skill... isn't enough if my necro is MM, SS or Order, for example? Or my monk is Boon Prot, 55 or healing? I really think that's what you really need, general build, not a build skill by skill.

Kijik Oni Hanryuu · Jun 29, 2006, 07:16 AM // 07:16

that's fine, methinks a general well-known cookie cutter build is fine with just going like this
Leader: What's your build?
Jas: MM
Leader should say: ok cool

different story if it goes like this
Leader: What's your build
Noob: Owning Sin build
Leader should say: what are the skills
Noob: Its my build I don't care what you think
Leader should then say: Ok....*two seconds later noob is kicked*

Does that clarify it better for ya?

nohooiam · Jun 29, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

i've pretty much given up hopes of finding decent players in pve pugs, and expect most pugs to fail in the more difficult missions. its just sad when guild or ranked groups are required for a smooth pve experience.

i used to ask for skill bars, but recently gave that up. turns out, its usually better to not ask since it leads to a even bigger nightmare where you come to the realization that 3/4 of your team are using power shot and they're not a ranger primary; and bane signet seems to make its way into every skill bar.

whenever i form or join a group, i just close my eyes and pray really really hard.

Bane of Worlds · Jun 29, 2006, 03:32 PM // 15:32

should be renamed to Ethics of Grouping IMHO
but it's good to know someone like the OP is posting this

Dart · Jun 29, 2006, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Age

don't be mad as soon as you join a group if the leader says "type me your build" /snip ....I will not type my build if the leader has no confidence in me go find someone else especially if they
never played it if they did I still don't care have faith.What bothers me is those who run around to much.

<-----I use a build description to have faith in them...PUG<---how do u know them and have auto confidence ??? >.< And I guess I should have said "Don't be offended if.." because the inquiry is not meant to offend a person's capability. I never play leader if I haven't been through a mission that I cannot lead, I just spam that I am LFG and a type of build.

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

to the OP thankyou for posting these, I hope this board gets 2 mil views, also the telling them your build is damn good idea especially in a pug in PUGS you can NOT have confidence in someones abilities becuase you do not know them..

<--------zomg my reason exactly :P

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Patience is golding, don't start saying gogogogog as soon as you join a group, or ebver for that matter, pushing only pisses the leader off, pissed off leader=boot for the pisser(lol). Also when people are annoyed they don't perform at their max level.(except for me when I am pissed I start focusing more, as long as it is a "I'm really angry right now" type of pissed, not like "Ima sit here and flame you and show you how much you pissed me off" type of anger.

<-----------------lmao I so am the same "Ima gonna show you how it's done" and to those in a hurry I just tell them I plan on making a killer team and if they want to leave then no worries...that tends to quiet them up heh heh, either cuz they left or they don't want to get kicked

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Originally Posted by Jas

I really think that's what you really need, general build, not a build skill by skill.

<-----------------ya that is more what i meant by "rattle off your build" it is easy to tell that someone know's what they have if they use a cookie cutter answer...If I am not familiar with what build they are talking about I would probably say "sorry not familiar w that" and ask them to list it... again, inquiry
not meant to be a jerk. just a plan for success. I don't expect anyone to say "ok what ever u say" I welcome interjection...again, all for the benefit of the team

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Originally Posted by Kijik Oni Hanryuu

Noob: Owning Sin build
Leader should say: what are the skills
Noob: Its my build I don't care what you think
Leader should then say: Ok....*two seconds later noob is kicked*

<----------------Wha ha hahaha ahhaha ha

-----yes this is what i do and then see the whole team respond with "lol" in the chat log...(course I usually say please elaborate or I have to let ya go - at that pt which they jump ship or type

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Originally Posted by nohooiam

i've pretty much given up hopes of finding decent players in pve pugs, and expect most pugs to fail in the more difficult missions. its just sad when guild or ranked groups are required for a smooth pve experience.

<-----------EEK! really??? I don't have that luxury, --->one girl guild...but I rarely have problems or have failed missions...sheesh I assume you join a balenced team or make sure that you make one ....I look at the type of spam a team leader puts out to get a feel if they know what they are doing...the more specified the better kinda thing... >.< sorry its been tuff for you....

* Last night fighting in the Deep reinforced why it is so good to use this style of PUG protocol...I made a balenced team outta what few people were online in the middle of the night....3 warr, 4 mo, 1 necro, 3 elem, 1 ranger...not my favorite set up but anyway off we go...had waited like an hour to accrue enough people and maintain a decent team so sure enough we get outside the initail rooms and necro gets err 7...hw was the only necro there and been disconnected 3 times while just waiting for the team to assemble I wasn't surprised and we all agree to push on...because we had truely coordinated our builds and communicated well we pwned Kanaxai in 2 hrs and had a great time. Everyone kept saying how it was going smoother than some full teams they had been in and what fun they were having...so to all u guys who get miffed when someone asks u your build, take it as a sign of "I'm good / You're good - let's show each other how good we are gonna be at this"

Carinae · Jun 29, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

I think the best advice I can give is: Know Thyself.

Know what you're good at, and be honest about what you don't know. I'll take an honest noob, if they are willing to learn.

Just tell the group, I can do *this* well, and I *have* those skills you're asking for, but I'm not sure what to do with them. Often you'll get really good advice doing this.

Sometimes people feel embarrassed by saying "I don't know that". Don't sweat it, be open to learning (that goes for everyone)

Samuel Dravis · Jun 30, 2006, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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Originally Posted by nytestalker

Necro's. PLEASE take note of one thing. Your secondary makes the diffrence betwen SS/MM... If your N/Me be a SS, If your N/Mo be a MM.

I play N/Mo all the time, and I have NEVER used healing prayers with my MM build. The only time I use my secondary is when I'm playing BiP, and then I use Protection (mend ailment, reversal, prot spirit, aegis) as a pure support character. It also gives me a nice res too. However, I agree that N/Me is almost always for Arcane Echo & SS. I don't think I've ever seen an N/Me that wasn't SS.

Anakin The Paladin · Jun 30, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

I have an addition:

Dont do a "Leeroy" just because you dislike a member of the group or someone got a drop you want.

This happens to me way to often